Monday, April 18, 2016

Where Did Cain Get His Wife, and Was Adam The First Man?


You said that the churches have not answered the questions. These questions are a waste of time because they are asked by people who are merely being fastidious.
Issue one: None to till the ground. Why would you conclude that there was none to till the ground when God had Adam and Eve already on the Sixth Day? Therefore, your point is invalid! Gene 2:5 is taking place before the third day. That is when there was no plant. From Gen 1:9-13, all the above mentioned things there were nonexistent were now on the Third Day.  Gen 1 is a detail narration of the creation while genesis 2 is a summation of the creation. In using the summary, you leave out major details and obfuscate the chronology. That is where your confusion emanates.
Issue Two: Animals created after Adam. Your second point about God creating the animals again after having created Adam comes again from your inability to reconcile the detail account with the summary. The summary places the evens en media res.  God created Adam after he had created all. During the ceremony of onomasiology, God brought out the animals in front of him, which is after the Adam and Eve have been created. He is not creating animals again. There is no place in genesis 2 where it is indicated that God continued the creation of animals again.
Issue Three. Female not made from the ribs of the man. Gen 1:27, God does not give more details; however, the usage of epithets is in Genesis 2:  21-23 “And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, this is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. “Therefore you are wrong that the female was not created form the rib of the man. You are already wrong in three issues because you failed to do proper horizontal studies that would have given you all the information.
Issue Four. Where did Cain’s wife come from? Your confusion comes from the fact that you think that Adam and Eve had only three children. Adam and Eve had many children after Cain and Abel as the Bible reads, “And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.” Gen 5:4. Actually they had a third child called Seth (Gen 5:3). Cain thus got his wife from amongst his sisters. I will like to recycle a previous answer I gave to this question.

When Adam was 130 years old, he had a third son called Seth (Gen 5:3). After Cain killed Abel, he was now concerned about his own safety since he only knew about the world around him. He feared for what was out there that he did not know. Later, Cain found a woman and married her (Gen 4:14-16). A question quickly arises: where did Cain find the woman he married. It is probable that he got one of his sisters who had wondered into his territory unknowingly. Since there is no time chart as to when he got married and by then Adam and Eve had had sons and daughters. At this time, there was no ordinance against siblings having sex together. As such, there was nothing like incest. So it is tacitly probable that the daughters and sons had sex together to procreate. Through them, there were now many people until the flood (Gen 7:1). As such, in the days of Israel, they enacted a law in Israel against incest,“None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.” (Lev 18:6). In Leviticus 20: 17, the law is amended with consequences established. Then later the law is amended and a spiritual dimension attached to it: and a curse against incest: Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen (Deut 27:22). Hamilton Ayuk.

Issue Five: Man was not created on the Sixth Day. Gen 1:27-31 says that God created man on the Sixth Day and on the seventh day, he rested.  Where does the bible say that God created Adam on the 7th Day? You seem to read the bible amok and cite it amiss. There are not different “two very distinct times of creation of man” because what you have in Genesis 4 and wife is an update. You said, “If there was children before seth the bible would have stated it…” Genesis one is a chronological paragraphs. Genesis Chapter four is written with expository paragraphs to explain the incidents surrounding their survivals. This chapter explains the consequences of Cain’s action and his life thereafter. That is why we have the explanation in chapter 5 rather than chapter four. Chapter four is not written chronologically, it is written in an expository format that is why talks about Cain getting married before the birth of Seth. The timeline is fully established in genesis 5 with the genealogy of Adam.
Issue six. Adam not the first man created. Paul said, I Cor 15:45. You are again wrong since the bible states categorically, “And so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.” Therefore, Adam was the first man created. Again your augment why there was no one to till the ground is answered in point one because genesis 2:5 is taking place after the events of Day Three. Genesis 2 becomes an update of Genesis 1. You confuse historicity by juxtaposing parallelly Homo sapiens with Neanderthals. Adam is the first Homo sapien and the Neanderthals only came after the collapse of the tower of Babel. In other words, Homo sapiens is the macrocosm while Neanderthal is a microcosm. Take note that there were different species species of cavemen.
Issue seven: How could they multiply before leaving the garden?  I had to chuckle. If a father told their child, “go out and marry, it does not mean that child is already married. It is a command for the future. That future comes ion genesis 2 and finally three. They were ordered to go out and multiply, but it was only a command. They put that command only after they left the Garden of Eden.
on day 6 in Genesis 1:28 God said unto the males and females he created in His image in Genesis 1:27 to be fruitful, to multiply, to replenish the earth, subdue it: and have dominion over it...so how could Adam and eve multiply the earth while still being in the garden which was in Eden which was placed eastward in Genesis 2:8? You falsely created a Day Seven which does not exists.  It shows that you lack uberrima fides in this debate. The Bible is very clear, “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” Gen 2:2-3.  Therefore, you make no case.



 Original argument by Ellen Mahmood. 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101299269473528921837/posts
presently the churches refuse to answer questions like in the photo turning people from the faith but Adam was not the first man created upon the earth.
God created man and female as well as the animals on day 6 (Gen 1:25-27). Day 7 was sanctified by God which means set apart. (Gen2:3) after God sanctified ALL his work on day 7 he realized there was none to till the ground. why was there none to till the ground (Genesis 2:5) when he created male and female on day 6 in Gen 1:26-27? because God made adam to tend to the garden on day 7 after God sanctified All his work. on the 7th day God created adam from the dirt . then he created the animals again but this time from the dirt (genesis 2:7). why would God create the animals again when he created animals on the 6th day? because the 7th day is special and set apart. a different day of creation must therefore be different. take a look at genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
the female on day 6 in gen 1:27 was not made of a rib nor were the male made from dirt nor did God breath the breath of life into them. that happened in Genesis 2 on the seventh day because they were set apart made special and is where the bloodline of the covenant is called.
if there were no peoples before adam how did cain marry a women in the land of nod after being exiled from the garden or eden? because Adam wasnt the first man created. first man was created on day 6 and adam was created on day 7. these two very distinct times of creation of man may fit the differences between neanderthals and homo sapiens.
the bible clearly says when adam and eve begot more children: it was after the birth of seth but cain married before seth. if there was children before seth the bible would have stated it because seth is who the bloodline is through if there was someone before seth it would have stated it as this is the chosen bloodline unto abraham isaac jacob and christ.
Adam was the first one God created as a livng soul (special) unlike the male and females of day 6 which HE DID NOT BREATH LIFE INTO! adam and eve the first of all the living (unto life everlasting) but not the first man created.
after God sanctified ALL his work on the 7th day he realized there was none to till the ground. (Genesis 2:5) why was there none to till the earth when he created male and female on day 6 in Gen 1:26-27? science answers this question, neanderthals were not as smart as homo sapiens!
After God created adam he realized there was no help mate for him (Genesis 2:20) why was there no helpmate on day 7 when God created females on day 6 Gen 1:26-27?
on day 6 in Genesis 1:28 God said unto the males and females he created in His image in Genesis 1:27 to be fruitful, to multiply, to replenish the earth, subdue it: and have dominion over it...so how could adam and eve multiply the earth while still being in the garden which was in eden which was placed eastward in Genesis 2:8? How could Adam and Eve multiply the earth when they didnt begin having kids until after being exiled from the garden in Genesis 3:28. Adam begot Cain in Genesis 4:1.
clearly there are two distinct days of creation here contrary to consensus of the chruches that believe day 6 and day 7 events are one in the same. what say you?
References:
Day 6 - Genesis 1:24-31:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Day 7 - Genesis 2:19-25:
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.


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